I didnt even get a chance to read it, once i logged on that morning... i was already demoded.
Very classy ;)
This is a direct quote word for word from the PM.
[QUOTE=WrigleyBoy25]
Andrew and I have decided to de-mod you. Over the last couple of weeks I have received numerous PM complaints about some things you've done--ranging from calling people "FAGS" multiple times, participating in threads that should be closed down and ones that contain plagiarism; culminating with you allowing the A hole award after I asked you not to--going as far as to undelete it when Dphins deleted it. You admittedly don't agree with the policies a mod has to follow around here when it comes to PM spam, user notes and the things mentioned above. It's really no different than Bob Sac following his own rules in hard deleting things when asked not to.[/QUOTE]
You likely won't believe this, but I do appreciate everything you've done to help the site, and I did not want to de-mod you. You've asked or challenged me to do it many times and I did not. We can't allow this stuff anymore and Andrew and I have no choice but to do this.
Andrew.... right.
He has been in the mod forum probably twice so far this calendar year.
Truth is that the dude got PAID!
With the amount of money he got for selling the PSD userbase to a sports betting company... its no wonder he doesnt really have much to do with the forums anymore.
Andrew came in and made a quick one line post basically saying "My name is Andrew, and i approve of this message".... after Wrigs said i had been demoded.
Now to the reasons given as to why i was demoded.
1. PM Complaints
Im a mod, i give people infractions, i ban people, etc... folks dont like that, duh!
Those PM complaints are normal... and par for the course.
If they even ever existed, none was ever posted in the mod forum as proof even though some mods asked... i know, i went back and read those threads :D
2. Calling people the word "fag".
Ok please... get over that word seriously.
If you are offended by it.... then you are retarded, and if you are offended by retarded, then you are a moron too.
I called one of my own laker fans who i often kid around with a Fag.
I used the word ONCE, not multiple times as he says.
It was kidding around, its not a word thats even banned on PSD, although i assume the word "ruven" will soon be.
I hear people are getting their posts deleted if they say my name.
Im not Beetlejuice.... its ok to say my name.
3.Participating in threads that should be closed down.
He never explained that one all the way, im guessing he might be talking about the two or three weeks towards before i got demoded when i stopped deleting spam all the time.
I would go in the spam thread and make fun of the spammer, i did that a few times without deleting the thread. I closed them sometimes.
Before that, my entire time as a PSD Mod i was always quick to delete spam.
I took a couple of weeks off from "being a mod"... others have taken a year off and get rewarded.
I took 3 weeks off and that was enough to demod me.
BTW, i was in Mexico for part of it.... everyone takes vacations, its about time i took one in 4-5 years.
During that time i posted less frequently, i did very little moderating, etc...
Summer was in full bloom and i decided to actually spend time with my GF for a change.
4.Being in threads with Plagiarism
Basically he means talking about torrents.
OMG someone mentioned torrents.... the FBI will be at our doors.
No they wont.
You can talk about them all you want, you can even do more than that.
But to think that having a conversation about a torrent is something that will get you in trouble.... is RETARDED.
You are allowed to talk about stuff, nobody was linking to any material or hosting the links on PSD or even posting links to perfectly legal torrent search engine sites.
Sites that HOST torrent files use Google Ads and all the other advertising systems, the same ones that PSD uses, and the same ones that Wrigs says will pull their ads if we talk about torrents.
That isnt anything remotely related to plagiarism...
He isnt stupid, but he pretends to be for good effect.
Its called lying now to get what you want, because nobody will be there to call you on your lie later... and if someone does you can easily just say "oops", but then claim that its too late now, "whats done is done".
Like with banning me when it was first thought i had "hacked" PSD.
BTW, word of advice, if you really dont want to get hacked in the future, i would consider upgrading the forum software to its latest patch from a while back... PSD is running a patch behind, just FYI.
5.A-Hole Award.
Truth is Wrigs was pissed about the Awards thing from the start.
Pissed that i did it without his consent.
Then even more pissed when he and the rest of his inner circle went on to bash the idea and laugh it off as something that nobody would care about and would die in a couple of hours.
It became one of the heaviest trafficked part of the forums for the entire time it was running... it would have continued roaring at a high pace if i wasnt demoded in the middle of it and could not continue moderating it.
The fact that people liked one of my ideas AGAIN.... probably pissed him off more than anything. Dont think he takes very well to being shown to be wrong.
I had ended my little "vacation" from being a mod that week.
Its why i was working really hard with the Awards forums.
I was back at work making Wrigs money.
I know Wrigs, i know the mod forum... NOTHING gets done in any sort of reasonable timeframe.
I didnt want 6 months to pass... Wrigs to say "Hey why dont we have Awards", and then pretend like my idea never existed.
Thats why i did them on my own, with Nozz's help and without the mod forums permission.
Sure they were a little ridiculous... but that was the point, i played them up for the campy nature that awards generally are.
They werent meant to be taken uber seriously.
He sent a brand new mod to delete the A-Hole award.
I thought he had deleted it because of the name, so i brought it back and starred out the name of hte title thinking that it would be enough for the award to stand.
Nope... that "undeleting what another mod deleted" was a big reason for my demotion.
BTW, D-Phins had just been added to to the GD forum for one reason only, to combat spam at night.
Yet one of his first acts there was to delete a thread by a seasoned mod?
Yeah... Wrigs didnt put him up to that at all ;)
Nearly every improvement done to PSD before this past year was either an idea that Sandman, Ari, or myself came up with.
And we came up with many more, but Wrigs would not allow them.
Sandman finally started to take my ideas and implementing them without Wrigs "ok".
That lead to Wrigs going to Andrew and asking for Sandman to be fired.
At the time Sandman and Wrigs were Co-Admins.
He made up some BS list of excuses and Sandman was dropped, making Wrigley the sole Admin and PSD losing one of its best mods in Sandman.
Ari has recently stepped down from all but one of his mod duties, i believe he kept his Knicks... he said it was school, but i think it might have been more than just that.
Lots of other long time mods have stepped down over the past few months, most have done so due to their disgust with the way Wrigley controls the forum and shapes the truth.
They are just too classy to make a big deal out of it....
I try to be classy, just not always succesful :D
6.You admittedly don't agree with the policies a mod has to follow....
Yeah... i dont, i tried hard to implement some of those policies, but Wrigs implemented them incorrectly.
We have way too much over moderation for certain stupid stupid things.
And not nearly enough moderation for hte stuff the truly matters to the health of a forum.
The priorities are not having the most healthy forum.
The priorities is having as many people come through PSD and click on those stupid Akon ads as possible.
Thats the bottom line.
We all know this is a business and folks gotta make money, but there has to be point where a smart person understands that future growth will only be hampered by the lowering the health of the site and the quality of its posters.
The system for moderating is so overdone... that most mods end up just not doing much at all. Its way too much of a hassle.
Things like Usernotes backfire on you when every time you discipline someone you need to a)Posta Usernote, b)Send a PM, c)Actually perform the ban/infraction, d)post in the mod forum saying what you did. e)Post in the Village of the Banned... did you guys get all that? (i think there is one more step too)
Its counterproductive to make it that much of a process in order to ban someone or give them an infraction.
We have to leave a usernote and make a post in the Mod forum each time we WARN you guys even.
By the time i finish with all of that... i forget what the person did in the first place to warrant discipline!
I also dont believe PSD needs to be blocking out RealGM.com, that we need to be forcing people that have their own sites outside of PSD to close them down or get banned.
A few posters that started their own website have been banned or told to delete their site if they want to come back.
Posters who went over to those sites and posted over there all got banned for hte most part... some got let back in eventually.
Its retarded to me that PSD still acts like some little site hosted on geocities.com or something.
PSD is the big boys, stop eating the little boys lunches.
Do you think RealGM.com cares if people post on PSD?
I doubt they or any other PROFESSIONAL SPORTS SITE would do something so tacky as to ban the names of their competitors. Do you ?
7.It's really no different than Bob Sac following his own rules in hard deleting things when asked not to.
Ha... The moment i read that, i knew my days were numbered.
I could see the wagons circling and the drums making noise.
That was Wrigley letting me know that i was going to suffer the same fate as Bob.
I dont know the true story about BobSac, i was a new mod that mostly just staid in the Lakers and Dodgers forums at the time.
So i hadnt experienced any of the "horrible" crimes that Wrigs and others had put on Bob.
I had no opinion on the matter, and the only information i had was the "official" story as given in the mod forum thread that is still there to this day concerning BobSac.
I had no reason to doubt it.
Until know.
I dont know if all thats in there about Bob was true or not anymore.
I see the same tactics used on BobSac being used on me now.
It might put the whole BobSac thing in question... if i only knew enough about the guy to care.
8. You likely won't believe this, but I do appreciate everything you've done to help the site, and I did not want to de-mod you.
LOL... lets leave the comedy to the pro's.
Moving on....
9. You've asked or challenged me to do it many times and I did not. We can't allow this stuff anymore and Andrew and I have no choice but to do this.
Thats a load of BS.
I told Andrew in the past that if Wrigs problems with me became too much of a distraction that he could let me know and i would step down.
The last thing i wanted was to be a hindrance in PSD moving forward.
Those were my words to Andrew, the Owner at the time.
That doesnt count as me asking to be demoded.
I did say publicly in the mod forum ONCE that i would be turning in my mod card.
But that was for a specific reason.
TSF was fed up with Wrigs unfair treatment of others and himself, he wanted to quit.
I urged him not to quit and that if he quit i would quit too, so dont quit.
The next morning i log on and he had quit.
He IM'ed me and said "Now your turn".
So i said... "screw it, i did say i would".
So then i posted that since Tex was demoded they could go ahead and demod me as well.
Within the next few minutes i had talked sense into Tex and he took back his banned request and therefore so did I.
Again... that that does not mean i asked to be demoded "many" times or really any times at all.
Its just more of his spin/lies.
And the sad part is that a lot of mods get fooled by what he says.
Since if you speak up against one of Wrigs views you are automatically labled, tarred and feathered in the mod forum.
I fully expect the mod forum to be purged in the next coming day/weeks.
More mods getting banned, and more mods resigning.
It will soon be a forum full of only yes men and mole hunters trying to find out who is spilling out juicy information.
BTW, there has been leaks in the mod forum for a long time, everyone knows this.
Folks get accused and found out to not be the mole, and the search continues.
Folks get fingered and it turns out to be someone who the Admin actually likes... so that gets quickly buried as if nothing ever happened.
One thing, before Wrigley became the PSD Admin there was no moles.
There was no problems in the mod forum.
There was disagreement, but people worked things out, they knew that Andrew would listen to everyone equally and be fair.
I never once had a problem with the owner Andrew nor did he have one with me, prior to Wrigley being made sole Admin.
The problems all started when he was made sole Admin.
The mood of the mod forum changed, and having a view other than that of the Admin was seen as dissent.
Mods became afraid to speak up, mods stopped coming to the mod forum, and there was fighting all the time.
A lot of that was me always pushing the mods and the admins to do things to make the site better, easy and cheap things that required little or no money to do.
I would get angry when i saw the mod forum being used as a place to belittle and make fun of the users.
Nozz in particular who i did not even know at the time.
There was threads saying the guy looked like an apeman, a cro magnon, missing link, and worse.
All the time new threads would be made by a small group of mods with the simple point of making as much fun and talking as much shit about them as possible.
A few of us mods could not stand it anymore and we told them how much they all looked like 12 year old schoolgirls talking all this shit about people behind their back, then being "cool" with them in public.
And i guess that all comes back to why i used Mrkx's login to go read who was saying krap about me in the mod forum.
If a person is able to know who is saying krap about them and is given the ability... he is going to take it, i dont care who you are.
Its human nature to want to know who you can trust.
Wow this one wasnt supposed to be nearly this long.
If you read it all you should get a medal, or at least an Award for really liking drama :)
